Auto guild contributions from DEC won.#263

It would be great to manage guild contributions on the system level.
Guild lodge is giving 1-20% extra DEC from the battles won, so guild owner should be able to setup part of it as the guild contibutions to the curently selected building (also guild owner would select which building is up for the upgrade).
That way contibutions will be much easier to manage and everybody in the guild will pay proportionally to the earnings.

Only an officer in my guild, (owner is a phantom that might be losing interest so it’s a co-owner and 2 officers running the day to day.) That said, this could be a great idea as long as the auto-contribution rate set is visible publicly on the about screen. That way, those thinking about joining can take that information into account when deciding if they want to join that guild or not. Plus, for guilds like ours to make use of it, the permission to use it would have to be set to co-owner+ level.

Definitelly it should be visible and clear to everybody and every member should be notified when changed!

I also agree it could be editable by at least co-leaders

No, this is adding more centralization. It’s as if everyone keeps forgetting that this game and its features should be getting more decentralized. The game is already centralized enough, and people are campaigning for more centralization, WTF. Welcome splinterlands oligarchy state if you all want this. There are only a few “cliques” that control the majority of the guilds as well. And thats not even bringing up the small amount of wallets that control the vast majority of the SPS holdings.

But you recon that you can create your own guild in any moment?

This would be great as an option, but I would prefer to also have an option for fixed seasonal payment instead of based on winnings.

But the mentioned option doesn’t go anywhere, it is working like that at the moment and it still can be used with (on top) or without the proposed feature.

I agree matt, When guilds are run as dao, it may not be as much an issue, some are taking the advantage % gain from guilds and put little if nothing back, I get guild members wanting to retain thier DEC for airdrop pionts, If you are in a guild, you should build the guild, not use it as a % boost to earnings.

Oversimplified TLDR:

1: This as written by you is less exploitable than I imagined the final implementation to be. That was unfair of me. I shouldn’t straw man.

2: If the choice is “give me X percent of your income or you just make X+Y percent less income”, that’s not really a choice.

3: If they made guilds DAOs first, this suggestion works a lot better and my issues with it are largely dealt with.

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Fine. In fairness to you, you’re suggesting a 20% cap if the guild has a maxed lodge, so if this was implemented exactly how you suggest it, it’d be impossible to steal a higher amount of DEC than the guild generates.

I still think if someone rents a bunch of cards with the intention of going even or maybe 5% either way, it’s still pretty brutal if a guild suddenly decides to take an unexpected cut.

If they don’t allow a higher percentage than a guild lodge generates and if they don’t allow monthly/weekly automated payments, then at least the downsides are somewhat limited.

Until we get the ability to convert guilds to daos, it’s always going to be less than ideal to get people to donate manually, then to get them to donate automatically and then to have them have 0% ownership of the thing that they’re building. Maybe when RW comes out the shop discount will be really useful, but right now the DEC bonus doesn’t even cover what most people donate in some guilds. So Gladiator cards are the only real reason to join a guild for some people.

That’s why I don’t dislike your idea if applied how you intend it. If we just got rid of our manual donations and charged half of the guild DEC bonus, the guild would take less money from people than it does now. People would still be free to contribute if they feel like it as they can now, but if they didn’t, the guild would be down money.

My entire concern is people that didn’t sign up to a guild that takes X% suddenly taking X%. Even your idea about consent being required or the guild bonus turns off doesn’t work, because if the guild bonus doesn’t work, it’s slightly worse than the DEC being autoburned. The guild member has still been screwed out of DEC by a unilaterally changed contract and has probably lost even more DEC than if they’d agreed to let the guild take it. You also run the risk that some people just miss the confirmation screen and lose DEC for not noticing, even if it was 1% to the guild, 9% to the player or something.

If you have that much trouble getting your guild to agree to something, maybe the guild bonus turning off takes a long time, but I don’t even like that much because my problems with turning the guild bonus off still remain.

I guess the guild system doesn’t really provide much protection for people that do donate to their guilds anyway, there’s always a chance that they get kicked and the owner sells the guild, so maybe I’m being unfair here.

If turning guilds into DAOs gets prioritized, this kind of thing would be an awesome next step though. I’ll stop with the wall of text now.

@Fuegooscuro - to end up this disscussion. It’s not about me or my guild. I’m lucky to be part of one of the top guilds, and I trust the guild owner - that’s why I don’t see thiefs everywhere. My idea was only to give new people the ability to participate in the extra layer of the game - guilds and brawls. To create a new guild, somebody has to put in 10k DEC. To participate in brawls, you need another 10k - then store, barracs, etc.

Automated fee collection from the extra DEC provided by the guild would give them the opportunity to gradually level up the guild without losing anything, as everything comes from the extra DEC that the current guild is giving them.

I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution for all cases and I also don’t believe everybody everywhere trying to steal from players. There are and will be thiefs around, but they are not majority.

It doesnt matter if you trust the guild owner or not. This is crypto remenber. We all live by the rule of not your keys not your crypto. By making a change such as this, you are bypassing the golden rule, and basically taking ownership of someone’s wallet, and authorizing payments from a wallet that does not belong to them (whoever is taking the payments).

Again, it would happen when DEC is earned (after the battle) and not transferred to the player yet - game will distribute it proportionally. Game can’t transfer anything from the player wallet.

Personally i would like to have an auto donate set amount to my guild weekly, but i am voting this down because i feel the fear of getting kicked out of a guild will make folks more engaged with the guild and that is what is best for guild members, guilds and the game.

This is a fantastic idea